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It was above all, there, and on his points, on his points of view to have flattered himself,

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this trait was made, life, while recovering from the soul,

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that we, life more, we more, on the line of death.

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And that he didn't tell us, the mayor, he appreciated the current sitting,

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he said, it's funny, it's, he's very nice, very, very, very nice.

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It's not clear, it's not entirely clear, that.

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One of the most beautiful sentences, I find, that I prefer in my quest,

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he is a character in my quest, let's say, young people.

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I would say if he wants it, if he wants it, if he wants it,

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but I, I know how to say it very well like everyone else, I don't understand.

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I don't have anything to say.

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You chose an abecedère,

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you warned me of the themes, and there, I don't know exactly the questions,

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It’s good that I was able to think a little about the theme,

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answering a question without having thought it through is, for me, something inconceivable.

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So what saves us is the clause.

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The clause, all this will only be used, if it is usable,

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will only be used after my death.

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So, do you understand?

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I already feel reduced to the state of a pure archive of Pierre-Henri Boutin,

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of sheets of paper, and that cheers me up a lot, it consoles me a lot,

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and almost in the state of pure spirit.

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I speak, I speak after my death,

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and we know well that a pure spirit is enough to have turned the tables

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to know that a pure spirit is not someone

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who gives very very deep answers,

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said to be very intelligent, that’s a bit sketchy.

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So everything goes, everything goes in there.

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We start, ah but it’s helped, what you want.

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Okay, so we start with A.

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So A is animal.

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So animal, we can use the phrase of W.C. Fields for you.

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A man who doesn't like children or animals,

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can't be all bad.

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So, we're going to leave the children's side for the moment,

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but we know you don't like pets very much.

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Well, we don't know, but I know you don't like them very much.

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And there, you don't even take up the distinction of Baudelaire or Cocteau.

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Hunts are no better than dogs for you.

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On the other hand, you have a bestiary through your work

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which is rather repugnant, that is to say besides the fakes,

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which are noble animals.

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You talk a lot about ticks, lice,

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of a number of small animals like that disgusting.

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And what I would like to add is that animals,

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in addition, have been used a lot since the Anti-Edit

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a concept that has become main in your work

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which is animal becoming.

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So I would like to know a little clearly

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what is your relationship with animals?

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Animals are not...

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What you said there about my relationships with animals

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domestic, it's not animal,

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domestic, tame animal, wild,

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that's not what worries me.

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It's the songs, the dogs.

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The problem is that they are animals

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familiar and family.

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And it's true that pets

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or family which are planned, domesticated,

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I don't like it.

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On the other hand, domesticated animals,

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not family, not family, I like it

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because I am sensitive to something about them.

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So what happened to me,

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This is what happens in many families.

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I was without dogs singing

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and then our children,

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finally neither to me, bring in these little hands

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a cat that was no bigger

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than the little hand.

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They had found him in the countryside,

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they had found it in a straw,

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in I don't know what.

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And from that fatal moment,

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I have always had a cat at home.

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So what do I dislike about these...

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Well, it wasn't an ordeal.

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I support it.

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What do I dislike?

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I don't like scrubbers already.

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A cat spending time rubbing itself

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to rub against you.

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I don't like it.

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A dog is something else.

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What I fundamentally blame the dog for is

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it is to bark.

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The box really appears to me

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but the stupidest cry.

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God who cries in nature,

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there are a variety of screams.

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Barking is really

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the shame of the animal kingdom.

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On the other hand, I support it.

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I tolerate it better.

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The condition is not too long.

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The cry, I don't know how to say it.

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Howling at the moon.

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A dog howling at the moon.

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I tolerate better than...

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To death.

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I don't know what.

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I tolerate the barking better.

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Since I learned that dogs and cats

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defrauded social security,

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my antipathy increased further.

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What I mean is...

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it's very am...

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At the same time, what I say,

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it's completely stupid.

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People who really love dogs and cats

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relate to dogs and cats

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who is not human.

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They have with dogs and cats,

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for example children, we see clearly that children

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have a cat, a relationship that is not a human relationship

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with the cat, which is a kind of relationship

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either a child or a species...

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The important thing is to have an animal connection

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with the animal.

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What does it mean to have an animal relationship

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with the animal, it does not consist of talking to it.

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But in any case, what I can't stand,

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it is the human relationship with the animal.

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I know what I'm saying,

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because I live on a street there

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which is a somewhat deserted street

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and where people walk their dogs.

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What I hear makes me sad

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is truly appalling.

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Scary, the way people talk

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their beast.

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So, even psychoanalysis notices.

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Psychoanalysis is so fixed

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to pets, family animals,

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to family animals

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that everyone loves animals

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in a dream.

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For example, in dreams,

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it is interpreted by psychoanalysis

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like an image of father, mother

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or child.

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That is to say the animal like

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family member.

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It surprises me, I can't stand it.

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We must think of two masterpieces

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of customs officer Rousseau,

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the dog in the cariola

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who is really the grandfather,

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the grandfather at the tapure,

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and then the war horse,

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which is a real beast.

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The question is what relationship

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do you have with the animal?

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If you have a human connection

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with the animal, but generally

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once again people who love animals

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do not have a human relationship with the animal,

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they have an animal relationship with the animal

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and there it is very beautiful.

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Even the hunters,

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even hunters have a connection

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amazing with the animal.

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Yes.

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So I think you asked for more

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other animals.

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It's true that I'm fascinated by meters

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like spiders,

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ethics, chickens, all that.

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It's as important as dogs

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and cats.

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And it's relationships with animals too.

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Someone who has ethics,

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who has chickens,

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what does that mean?

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It's very active relationships with animals.

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So what fascinates me?

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in the animal?

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Because really,

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my hatred of certain animals is nourished

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of my fascination

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for many animals.

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If I'm going to count

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to vaguely tell me

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What strikes me about an animal?

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The first thing that strikes me, I think, is

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the fact that

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every animal has a world.

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It's curious because there are lots of people,

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there are lots of humans who don't have a world.

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They live everyone's life.

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That is to say, from anyone, anything.

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Animals have worlds.

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What is an animal world?

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It is sometimes extraordinarily restricted.

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And that's what loved me.

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The animals react

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ultimately very little.

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There are all sorts of things that...

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You hug me if you see that

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Gilles Deleuze, Reel II,

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a second.

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Yes, in this story

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this first trait of the animal,

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it really is existence

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of specific, particular animal worlds.

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Maybe

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sometimes it's poverty

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of these worlds, the reduction,

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the reduced character of these worlds

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which impresses me a lot.

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For example,

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we were talking just now

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of an animal like a tick.

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The tick responds

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or reacts to three things.

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Three exciting ones,

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that's all

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immense nature.

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Three stimulants, that's all.

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That is to say, it tends towards

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the end of a tree branch

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pulled towards the light.

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She can wait until the end,

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at the top of this branch.

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She can wait for years

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without eating, without anything,

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there, completely.

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In morphe, she waits

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that a ruminant, an herbivore,

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a beast

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passes under its branch.

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Then she lets herself fall.

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So there, it’s a kind of olfactory stimulant.

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She smells the tick,

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smells like a beast

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which passes under its branch.

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That's second exciting.

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Light and then smell.

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And then, when she is

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fallen on the back of poverty,

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she will look for the region

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the least furnished with hair.

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So there, a tactile excitement.

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And it sinks under the skin.

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The rest,

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she leaves.

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So to speak, she doesn't care at all.

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That is to say, in a nature

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teeming,

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it extracts the selection from

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three things.

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And is this your life dream?

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Is that what interests you in anime?

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That’s what makes a world.

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That’s what makes a world.

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Hence your

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animal report

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writing, that is to say that the writer

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for you, he's also someone

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which is a world?

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It's more complete than yes.

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There are other aspects. It's not enough

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to have a world to be an animal.

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What makes it easier for me

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completely,

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It’s territorial matters.

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And with Félix, we have

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really makes a concept of

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almost a philosophical concept

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with the idea

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of territory.

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Animals have territory, there are animals

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without territory, good.

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But animals with territory are amazing.

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Because

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constitute a territory

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00:11:53,060 --> 00:11:54,700
for me, it's almost

279
00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:56,180
the birth of art.

280
00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:58,980
When we see how an animal

281
00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:00,440
marks your territory, everyone

282
00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,060
is, everyone always invokes

283
00:12:02,060 --> 00:12:04,340
the stories of Glande,

284
00:12:04,340 --> 00:12:06,580
anal, urine,

285
00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:08,480
which

286
00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,200
they mark the borders

287
00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,360
of its territory. But it goes beyond

288
00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,380
a lot of that, what.

289
00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:15,840
What goes into marking

290
00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,680
a territory is also

291
00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:19,360
a series of postures.

292
00:12:20,380 --> 00:12:21,960
For example, bending down,

293
00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:22,720
get up.

294
00:12:23,780 --> 00:12:25,420
A series of colors.

295
00:12:26,540 --> 00:12:27,980
Drills, for example.

296
00:12:28,620 --> 00:12:29,740
The colors of the buttocks,

297
00:12:29,860 --> 00:12:32,400
fools, that they manifest

298
00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,040
at the border of the territory.

299
00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,080
What...

300
00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,540
colors, songs,

301
00:12:38,980 --> 00:12:39,520
postures.

302
00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:42,460
These are the three determinations of art.

303
00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,380
I mean, the color,

304
00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,020
lines, animal postures

305
00:12:47,020 --> 00:12:48,740
are sometimes real lines.

306
00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:50,960
Colors, lines,

307
00:12:51,260 --> 00:12:51,460
songs.

308
00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:54,240
This is art in its purest form.

309
00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,220
And then I say to myself

310
00:12:56,220 --> 00:12:58,180
when they leave their territory

311
00:12:58,180 --> 00:13:00,440
or when they return to their territory

312
00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,320
their behavior,

313
00:13:02,380 --> 00:13:04,280
the territories are the domain

314
00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:04,920
of the way.

315
00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,140
It's very curious that this is in the way.

316
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,340
That is to say my properties.

317
00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,460
My properties, the way

318
00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:14,300
of bequette, the way

319
00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:15,460
of Michaud, what.

320
00:13:16,740 --> 00:13:17,920
The territory is

321
00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,240
the properties of the animal.

322
00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,220
And leave the territory,

323
00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:23,280
it's venturing.

324
00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,180
There are beasts that recognize

325
00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:27,000
their spouse.

326
00:13:27,660 --> 00:13:29,540
They know them in the territory

327
00:13:29,540 --> 00:13:30,600
but they don't know them

328
00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:31,560
outside the territory.

329
00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:33,800
It's all marvels.

330
00:13:34,060 --> 00:13:35,340
I don't know which bird anymore.

331
00:13:36,460 --> 00:13:37,280
I don't know anymore.

332
00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,520
You have to believe me.

333
00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:41,260
And then,

334
00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:43,600
then, with Phoenix,

335
00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,580
there, I come out of the animal.

336
00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:48,160
I remember a problem

337
00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,620
philosophical because we mix

338
00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:52,180
a bit of everything in the bécédere.

339
00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:53,740
I say to myself,

340
00:13:53,740 --> 00:13:56,020
we sometimes get close to the philosopher

341
00:13:56,860 --> 00:13:57,700
to create

342
00:13:57,700 --> 00:13:59,740
barbaric words.

343
00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,420
But me,

344
00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:02,760
put yourself in my place.

345
00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,600
For given reasons,

346
00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:07,160
I want

347
00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:09,680
to think about this notion

348
00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:10,440
of territory.

349
00:14:12,260 --> 00:14:13,980
And I say to myself, the territory

350
00:14:13,980 --> 00:14:15,380
worth to me in relation to a movement

351
00:14:15,380 --> 00:14:16,800
in which we exit.

352
00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,360
So we have to bring that together.

353
00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:22,200
I need

354
00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,180
with a seemingly barbaric word.

355
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,440
Therefore,

356
00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:28,380
with Phoenix, we built

357
00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,340
a concept that I really like

358
00:14:30,340 --> 00:14:32,200
which is that of territorializations.

359
00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:34,620
We are told about this,

360
00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:35,980
It’s a hard word to say.

361
00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,240
And then,

362
00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,920
that means what need.

363
00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:42,080
This is a very good case where

364
00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,420
a philosophical concept cannot be designated

365
00:14:44,420 --> 00:14:46,180
only by a word that does not yet exist.

366
00:14:47,060 --> 00:14:48,420
Even if we then discover

367
00:14:48,420 --> 00:14:49,540
than in other languages,

368
00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:50,840
there was the equivalent.

369
00:14:51,580 --> 00:14:53,460
For example, then I realized

370
00:14:53,460 --> 00:14:54,360
that in Melville,

371
00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,500
the word kept coming back

372
00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:58,060
Outlandish.

373
00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,160
And Outlandish,

374
00:15:01,340 --> 00:15:02,440
finally I pronounce it wrong,

375
00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:04,960
you correct it yourself,

376
00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:07,820
Outlandish is exactly

377
00:15:07,820 --> 00:15:09,540
deterritorialized it.

378
00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,200
It's word for word.

379
00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:14,440
So,

380
00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:17,440
I say to myself, for philosophy

381
00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,720
before returning to the animals,

382
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,720
for philosophy, it is very striking.

383
00:15:21,580 --> 00:15:22,400
It's very striking.

384
00:15:22,620 --> 00:15:24,000
Sometimes we need

385
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,920
to invent a word like barbarian

386
00:15:27,940 --> 00:15:29,280
to report

387
00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:30,240
of a notion

388
00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,680
a new claim.

389
00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,940
The notion a new claim,

390
00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:37,420
there is no territory.

391
00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,780
Without a vector

392
00:15:39,780 --> 00:15:41,460
leaving the territory,

393
00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:43,520
there is no exit

394
00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,420
of the territory, that is to say

395
00:15:47,420 --> 00:15:48,620
at the same time an effort to

396
00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:50,680
reterritorialize elsewhere

397
00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:51,440
on something else.

398
00:15:52,140 --> 00:15:54,100
So all this plays out in animals.

399
00:15:54,540 --> 00:15:55,480
That's what fascinates me.

400
00:15:55,860 --> 00:15:56,940
Which basically fascinates me,

401
00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,400
this is the whole domain of signs.

402
00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:02,340
Animals emit signs.

403
00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,360
They keep emitting signs.

404
00:16:04,980 --> 00:16:06,160
They produce signs.

405
00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:07,560
That is to say, in both senses,

406
00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:09,480
they react to signs.

407
00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:10,760
For example, a spider.

408
00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,500
Everything that touches his canvas.

409
00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:15,040
She doesn't react to anything.

410
00:16:15,580 --> 00:16:17,080
She reacts to signs.

411
00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,580
And they leave signs. They produce signs.

412
00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,040
For example, the famous signs.

413
00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,360
Is this a wolf sign?

414
00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,640
Is it a wolf? Is it something else?

415
00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,640
I greatly admire people who know

416
00:16:28,540 --> 00:16:29,340
recognize. For example,

417
00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:30,820
the hunters, the real hunters.

418
00:16:31,140 --> 00:16:32,920
Not hunting society hunters.

419
00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:35,360
But real hunters who know how to recognize

420
00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,620
the animal that passed by.

421
00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,060
At that point, they are animals.

422
00:16:39,420 --> 00:16:41,480
At that moment, they have an animal relationship with the animal.

423
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,620
That's what it means to have an animal relationship with an animal.

424
00:16:45,340 --> 00:16:46,840
It's great.

425
00:16:47,420 --> 00:16:48,780
But it's this sign emission

426
00:16:48,780 --> 00:16:51,260
and this reception of signs

427
00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:51,680
which brings together

428
00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:53,940
of writing and the writer,

429
00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:55,340
of the animal?

430
00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:57,500
If I'm going to tell myself what is it for

431
00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:59,440
your animal cases, I will respond

432
00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:01,340
it is the being on the lookout.

433
00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,440
He is a being who is fundamentally on the lookout.

434
00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,640
But like the writer?

435
00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,700
And the writer, well the writer, yes,

436
00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:08,520
he is on the lookout.

437
00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,580
The philosopher is on the lookout.

438
00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:12,240
Obviously, we are on the lookout.

439
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,920
For me, the animal is, you see,

440
00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,380
the ears of an animal,

441
00:17:16,060 --> 00:17:17,820
he does nothing without being on the lookout.

442
00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:19,840
We never had it quiet.

443
00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,920
We never quieted him, an animal.

444
00:17:23,380 --> 00:17:25,200
He eats, he must watch

445
00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,360
if it hits him behind his back,

446
00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,000
if something happens behind his back,

447
00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:30,020
if it happens next to him, etc.

448
00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:32,520
It's terrible,

449
00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,060
this existence on the lookout.

450
00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,300
So you make the connection

451
00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:37,960
with the writer she reported between

452
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,280
the animal and the writer.

453
00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,360
In fact, he did it before me.

454
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,280
It's true.

455
00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:46,000
We should almost say

456
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,580
almost a writer.

457
00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:50,800
Of course he writes for

458
00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,320
delator, a writer.

459
00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,660
But what does that mean for?

460
00:17:54,660 --> 00:17:56,060
This means, with the intention

461
00:17:56,060 --> 00:17:58,760
of a writer

462
00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:59,800
which is...

463
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,280
He writes to the intention

464
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,260
of the voter. In this sense, he writes for

465
00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:04,020
delector.

466
00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:06,420
It must also be said that

467
00:18:06,420 --> 00:18:09,320
the writer, he writes for non-readers.

468
00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,120
That is to say, not with the intention

469
00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,480
of one, but instead of one.

470
00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:15,080
This means two things.

471
00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,800
It means intention, and then it means

472
00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,460
instead. So

473
00:18:20,860 --> 00:18:22,040
Artaud wrote pages

474
00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,140
that everyone knows.

475
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,260
I write for the illiterate.

476
00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,240
I write for

477
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,800
the idiots. Faux-le-Claire

478
00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,020
written for idiots.

479
00:18:30,780 --> 00:18:32,500
That doesn't mean that idiots

480
00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:34,000
read it. That doesn't mean

481
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,900
for the illiterate to read. That means

482
00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:37,700
in place of the illiterate.

483
00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:39,820
I can say, I write instead

484
00:18:39,820 --> 00:18:42,280
savages. I write

485
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,540
instead of animals.

486
00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:44,940
I write instead of animals.

487
00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:49,140
And what does that mean?

488
00:18:49,140 --> 00:18:49,720
That means why

489
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,580
no, say something like that to yourself.

490
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,200
I write in place of the illiterate

491
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,620
idiots, beasts.

492
00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,360
Well because

493
00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:00,500
that's what we do literally

494
00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:01,160
when we write.

495
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,720
When we write, we don't lead

496
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,020
a small private matter.

497
00:19:05,500 --> 00:19:06,920
It's really the assholes.

498
00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:09,240
It's truly an abomination

499
00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,320
of literary mediocrity

500
00:19:11,980 --> 00:19:13,780
at all times, but particularly

501
00:19:13,780 --> 00:19:15,880
currently, which makes people believe

502
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,420
than to write a novel, for example

503
00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:20,440
it is enough to have a small private affair,

504
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,000
his own little business.

505
00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:24,540
His grandmother who died of cancer

506
00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:26,420
or his love story

507
00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:28,340
to oneself, and then that's it, and then we make a novel.

508
00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:30,140
But it's a shame, really.

509
00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:32,300
It's a shame, but we know things like that.

510
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,160
It's not someone's private business to write.

511
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:36,960
It's really getting started

512
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,500
in a universal matter.

513
00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:41,260
And let it be the novel

514
00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:42,240
or philosophy,

515
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,660
so what does that mean?

516
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,580
So it's writing for, that is to say

517
00:19:54,580 --> 00:19:57,220
for and in their place.

518
00:19:57,220 --> 00:19:58,880
That's a bit what you said in Mil Plateau

519
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,640
about Chandeau, it's

520
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,780
Hoffmanstahl in the very beautiful sentence which was

521
00:20:02,780 --> 00:20:04,800
the writer is a sorcerer because he lives

522
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,200
the animal as the only population

523
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,980
to which he is responsible.

524
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,940
That's it, that's absolutely it.

525
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,180
And for a simple house,

526
00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:14,460
I think it's quite simple, it's not

527
00:20:14,460 --> 00:20:16,460
this point at all literary statements,

528
00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:18,960
the ones you just read from Hoffmanstahl.

529
00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:21,240
It's something else.

530
00:20:21,860 --> 00:20:23,980
It’s because writing is necessarily

531
00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:25,740
push the language

532
00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:28,600
and push syntax

533
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,980
because language is syntax,

534
00:20:30,980 --> 00:20:32,900
it's pushing the syntax

535
00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:34,480
up to a certain limit.

536
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,240
Limit who what?

537
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,300
Which can be expressed in several ways,

538
00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:40,960
this is also the limit

539
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,900
which separates language from silence,

540
00:20:43,940 --> 00:20:45,420
that the limit which separates

541
00:20:45,420 --> 00:20:46,600
the language of music,

542
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,300
that the limit which separates

543
00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:51,940
the language of something

544
00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:52,700
which would be what.

545
00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:55,820
Let's put if I say

546
00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:57,420
the screeching,

547
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,480
the painful chirp.

548
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:00,940
But not the drink, above all.

549
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,060
We see straight away, oh no, not the limp.

550
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:04,700
And again,

551
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,380
to have a writer arrive there,

552
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,240
painful squealing,

553
00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:11,640
everyone says to themselves, well yes,

554
00:21:11,740 --> 00:21:12,140
my Kafka,

555
00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:15,520
it’s metamorphosis.

556
00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:17,980
The manager who writes himself,

557
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,980
you heard, it seems

558
00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:20,640
an animal.

559
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,580
Grégoire's painful peeping,

560
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,160
or the people of mice, we write

561
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,380
for the mouse people,

562
00:21:26,780 --> 00:21:28,480
for the people of the rats who die.

563
00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:30,360
Indeed, contrary to what people say,

564
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,860
It's not men who know how to die

565
00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:33,420
or who die are the animals.

566
00:21:34,780 --> 00:21:36,740
And men when they die,

567
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,000
they die like animals.

568
00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:40,120
There, then we return to the cat,

569
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,180
and with great respect,

570
00:21:41,420 --> 00:21:44,480
I had among the many cats

571
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,760
who succeeded each other here.

572
00:21:46,340 --> 00:21:47,880
There is a little cat who died quite quickly,

573
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,760
that is to say I saw what many people

574
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,440
have also seen how a beast

575
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,000
look for a place to die.

576
00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:56,340
If there is a territory for death too,

577
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,400
there is a search for the territory

578
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,480
of death, of the territory where one can die.

579
00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:02,080
And it was a little cat who tried

580
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,540
to sink into an unknown,

581
00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:06,380
in a corner, etc.

582
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,040
Like it's a good place

583
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,020
to die for him.

584
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:11,840
Yes, in sense,

585
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,660
if the writer is indeed the one who pushes

586
00:22:14,660 --> 00:22:16,680
language to a limit,

587
00:22:17,260 --> 00:22:18,920
limit that separates language

588
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,740
of animality, which separates

589
00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:22,400
the language of the cry, which separates

590
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,480
the language of singing.

591
00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:26,460
At that moment you have to say yes,

592
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,160
the writer is responsible

593
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,800
in front of dying animals.

594
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,480
He is responsible to the animals

595
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,400
who die, that is to say,

596
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,400
respond to animals that die.

597
00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:39,980
Write, well,

598
00:22:39,980 --> 00:22:41,420
literally not for them.

599
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,520
Once I'm not going to write for my cat,

600
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,120
for my dog, but write instead

601
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:47,560
animals dying, etc.

602
00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:49,620
It is taking language to this limit.

603
00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:51,280
And there is no literature

604
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,840
which does not carry language and syntax

605
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,040
at this limit which separates

606
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,340
man from animal. You have to be

607
00:22:57,340 --> 00:22:58,680
on this very limit.

608
00:23:00,220 --> 00:23:01,300
I don't think so.

609
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,860
Even when we do

610
00:23:03,860 --> 00:23:05,220
philosophy, it's simple.

611
00:23:06,460 --> 00:23:07,580
When we do, we are

612
00:23:07,580 --> 00:23:10,000
on the limit that separates thought

613
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:10,960
of non-thought.

614
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,300
You must always be

615
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:15,360
at the limit which separates from animality,

616
00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:17,140
but precisely, in such a way,

617
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,440
that we are no longer separated from it.

618
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,580
There is an inhumanity specific to the body

619
00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:22,220
human

620
00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:24,980
and to the human spirit. There are

621
00:23:24,980 --> 00:23:26,640
animal relationships with animals.

622
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,480
If we had finished for A,

623
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:32,400
that would be good.

624
00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:34,040
Okay, so we'll move on to B.

625
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,520
So B is a bit special.

626
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,220
It's about the drink.

627
00:23:39,380 --> 00:23:39,920
So.

628
00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:42,480
So you drank and then stopped

629
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:42,880
to drink.

630
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,440
And I would like to know

631
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,200
when you were drinking, what was it

632
00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:50,180
drink?

633
00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:52,170
Was it fun?

634
00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:53,920
Oh yes, I drank that a lot.

635
00:23:54,380 --> 00:23:55,220
I drank a lot.

636
00:23:56,380 --> 00:23:57,960
So I stopped

637
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,640
I drank a lot.

638
00:24:01,860 --> 00:24:04,700
What was it?

639
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:05,740
It's not difficult.

640
00:24:06,020 --> 00:24:06,760
I believe,

641
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,920
it would be necessary to question

642
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,220
like we drank a lot.

643
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,020
It would be necessary to question

644
00:24:11,020 --> 00:24:12,740
alcoholics, all that.

645
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:15,020
I believe that drinking is

646
00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:16,180
the matter of quantity.

647
00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:19,680
For that there is no equivalent with food,

648
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,980
even there are big eaters,

649
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,460
there are people eating me,

650
00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:24,640
It's always going to be disgusting, so it's none of my business.

651
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:25,840
But

652
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,580
drinking is a question.

653
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,600
I understand that we don't drink just anything

654
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,140
that each drinker

655
00:24:32,140 --> 00:24:34,000
to his favorite drink.

656
00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:36,500
But it's because it's

657
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:38,780
in this framework which captures the quantity.

658
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,560
It's a matter of quantity,

659
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,840
what does that mean?

660
00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:43,180
We laugh a lot

661
00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:45,160
drug addicts or alcoholics,

662
00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:47,500
because they keep saying

663
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,140
you know, I'm in control,

664
00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:51,100
I stop drinking whenever I want.

665
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,160
We make fun of them, but it's because we

666
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,700
don't understand what they mean.

667
00:24:56,780 --> 00:24:58,540
I have very clear memories,

668
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,240
I could see that very well

669
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,700
and I believe that all people who drink

670
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:02,520
understand that.

671
00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:04,780
When we drink,

672
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,760
what we want to achieve

673
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,160
It’s the last drink.

674
00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:14,360
Drinking is, literally,

675
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,240
it's about doing everything to access

676
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,340
at the last glass.

677
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,800
That's what interests you.

678
00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:22,160
But is that still the limit?

679
00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:24,620
Is this the limit?

680
00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:25,080
It's complicated.

681
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,940
That let me tell you.

682
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:30,340
In other words,

683
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,920
an alcoholic is someone who

684
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,620
keep stopping drinking.

685
00:25:35,060 --> 00:25:35,820
I mean,

686
00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:38,160
he keeps adding to the last glass.

687
00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:42,160
So, what does that mean?

688
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,140
It's a bit like,

689
00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:45,300
you know, the Pégui formula

690
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:46,220
who is so beautiful,

691
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:48,940
it's not the last

692
00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:50,800
Naféa who repeats first,

693
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,360
this is the first Naféa who repeats

694
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,320
all the others and the last one.

695
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,560
Well, the first drink

696
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,720
he repeats the last one.

697
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,480
It's the last one that counts.

698
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,420
So what does that mean

699
00:26:03,420 --> 00:26:06,200
the last drink for an alcoholic?

700
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,240
Well, he gets up in the morning,

701
00:26:07,420 --> 00:26:09,160
let's say if he's a morning alcoholic,

702
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,320
there are all the people we want,

703
00:26:11,380 --> 00:26:12,660
if he's a morning alcoholic,

704
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,600
he is whole,

705
00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,620
tense towards the moment when it will arrive

706
00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:17,600
at the last glass.

707
00:26:18,740 --> 00:26:20,280
It's not the first,

708
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,260
the second, the third which interests him.

709
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,620
It's much more, it's clever,

710
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,140
he's cunning, an alcoholic.

711
00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:29,900
The last drink means this,

712
00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:31,900
he evaluates,

713
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,000
there is an evaluation.

714
00:26:34,180 --> 00:26:35,500
He assesses what he can hold

715
00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:38,860
without collapsing,

716
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,200
he evaluates, it is very variable

717
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,740
after each person.

718
00:26:44,020 --> 00:26:44,900
He therefore evaluates

719
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:47,000
the last drink.

720
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:48,920
And then,

721
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,620
everyone else, it's going to be

722
00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:52,740
his way of passing and waiting

723
00:26:52,740 --> 00:26:53,500
the latter.

724
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:56,560
And what does the last one mean?

725
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,500
That means he can't stand

726
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,100
to see more that day.

727
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,340
It's the last one that would allow him,

728
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,000
who will allow him

729
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,360
to start again the next day.

730
00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:11,100
Because yes,

731
00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:13,280
if he just goes to the last one,

732
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,480
on the contrary,

733
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,800
which exceeds its power,

734
00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:18,320
it is the last in its power.

735
00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:21,440
If he exceeds the last in his power

736
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,340
to arrive at the last one which exceeds

737
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:24,960
his power, it collapses.

738
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,960
At that point, he's screwed.

739
00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:28,320
Well, he's going to the hospital,

740
00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:30,140
or he needs to change his habits,

741
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,280
he needs to change agencies.

742
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,360
So much so that when he says

743
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,540
the last drink is not the last,

744
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,500
it's the penultimate.

745
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,280
He is looking

746
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,500
from the penultimate.

747
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,500
In other words, there is a wonderful time

748
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:44,940
to say the penultimate, I think,

749
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,040
it's penultimate.

750
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,120
He is not looking for the last drink,

751
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,880
he looks for the penultimate glass.

752
00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:51,800
Never the ultimate.

753
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,000
Not the ultimate, not this one.

754
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,860
Will put him out of his arrangement.

755
00:27:58,780 --> 00:27:59,820
And the penultimate,

756
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:00,900
it's the last

757
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:04,200
before starting again

758
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:04,740
the next day.

759
00:28:06,020 --> 00:28:07,060
So I can say,

760
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:08,700
in the alcoholic, it is the one who says

761
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:10,040
and who keeps saying.

762
00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:12,780
Come on,

763
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,840
that's what you hear in cafes,

764
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:16,920
it's so happy, the company of alcoholics

765
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,940
in cafes,

766
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,140
we get tired of listening to them.

767
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:22,800
He's the one who always says. Come on, it's the last one.

768
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:25,000
And the last one,

769
00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:26,180
It's going to be okay according to everyone.

770
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,120
And the last one is the penultimate one.

771
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,920
And it's the one who also says, I'll stop tomorrow. So, since...

772
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,860
I'll stop tomorrow, no, he says not, I'll stop tomorrow.

773
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,740
He says, I'm quitting today

774
00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:36,400
so that we can start again tomorrow.

775
00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:40,060
And there, since drinking,

776
00:28:40,140 --> 00:28:42,820
it's not to stop... to stop

777
00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:43,980
constantly drinking.

778
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:46,000
How do we stop drinking altogether?

779
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,100
since you stopped drinking altogether.

780
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:47,840
It's too dangerous.

781
00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:51,600
There, it seems to me that if she goes quickly,

782
00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:53,140
Michaud said it all,

783
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:54,900
in my opinion, drug problems

784
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:57,160
and alcohol problems are not so separate.

785
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,880
Michaud said everything about it.

786
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,460
There comes a point where it becomes too dangerous.

787
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:03,760
Because there too,

788
00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:05,740
it's a crest, when I said the crest,

789
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:06,180
between

790
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,480
language and silence

791
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,960
or language and animality.

792
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:12,800
It's a crest.

793
00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:14,100
It's a parade mask.

794
00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:16,500
It will drink very well

795
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:18,600
to take drugs.

796
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:21,520
We can still do whatever we want,

797
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,840
if it doesn't stop you from working.

798
00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:26,820
If it's a turn-on,

799
00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:29,040
even it's normal to offer

800
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,280
something of his body in sacrifice.

801
00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:32,960
Right next to it,

802
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:34,460
it's very sacrificial,

803
00:29:34,660 --> 00:29:36,860
these drinking attitudes,

804
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,620
drugs,

805
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,300
when one offers one's body a sacrifice, why?

806
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:43,180
Probably because there is something too strong

807
00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:44,600
that we couldn't bear

808
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,280
without the alcohol.

809
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,400
It's not about tolerating alcohol.

810
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,260
Maybe that's what we think we see,

811
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:51,980
what we need,

812
00:29:52,340 --> 00:29:54,240
what we think we see, what we think we feel,

813
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,280
what we think we think,

814
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,980
which makes us feel the need

815
00:29:57,980 --> 00:30:00,540
to be able to bear it.

816
00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:04,600
To be able to control it.

817
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,660
We need help,

818
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,240
alcohol, drugs, etc.

819
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:09,000
Second table.

820
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,620
So, indeed,

821
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:14,420
the border,

822
00:30:14,540 --> 00:30:17,840
it is very simple.

823
00:30:19,060 --> 00:30:19,920
This is what

824
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:21,500
drink,

825
00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:24,200
drugs, all that,

826
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:25,650
is supposed to

827
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:26,900
almost

828
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,320
make possible

829
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,960
something too strong,

830
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:32,800
even if we have to pay it later,

831
00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:34,500
It's good. But in any case,

832
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,620
it's related to this,

833
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,980
work, work.

834
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,260
And then, it's obvious

835
00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:42,860
that when everything turns upside down

836
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,860
and drinking prevents you from working,

837
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:47,560
that the drug

838
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,640
becomes a way of not working,

839
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,100
This is absolute danger.

840
00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:54,080
It no longer has any interest.

841
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,240
And at the same time,

842
00:30:56,420 --> 00:30:57,900
we realize more and more

843
00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,020
that we believed

844
00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:00,820
the necessary alcohol,

845
00:31:01,180 --> 00:31:02,040
or the necessary drug.

846
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:06,420
Maybe you have to have been there

847
00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:08,200
to realize that

848
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,800
everything we thought we would do

849
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,540
thanks to her,

850
00:31:11,660 --> 00:31:12,460
or thanks to alcohol,

851
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,900
we could do it without.

852
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:16,940
So, I really admire the way

853
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:18,160
to warm myself there, to enjoy it.

854
00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:20,500
All this is...

855
00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:22,220
He stops.

856
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,600
So I have less merit

857
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,820
because I stopped drinking

858
00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:26,780
for reasons of

859
00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:29,960
breathing, health, etc.

860
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,980
But it's obvious that we have to stop

861
00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:33,040
or that we have to do without it.

862
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,620
The only small possible justification,

863
00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:37,400
that's if it makes the work easier,

864
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,980
even if we have to pay for it physically afterwards.

865
00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:42,700
But more and more...

866
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:43,740
The more we came,

867
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:45,860
the more we tell ourselves that it doesn't help the work.

868
00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:47,420
So...

869
00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:50,160
You must be very drugged,

870
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:51,200
you have to have a lot of bup

871
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,300
to do without it in a state

872
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:54,180
all the same.

873
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,300
And on the other hand,

874
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,340
you say,

875
00:31:58,980 --> 00:32:01,360
when you drink, it shouldn't prevent you from working,

876
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,160
but we saw something

877
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,840
which the drink helped to support.

878
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,360
This something is not life.

879
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,820
So there is the question, obviously,

880
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,300
about writers you really like.

881
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:11,340
Yes, that's life.

882
00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:13,660
It's something too strong in life.

883
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,280
It's not at all necessarily something terrifying,

884
00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:17,400
it's something too strong.

885
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:19,980
It's something too powerful in life.

886
00:32:21,780 --> 00:32:24,080
So we believe in a somewhat stupid way

887
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,140
what drinking will make you

888
00:32:26,140 --> 00:32:28,380
at the level of this something more powerful.

889
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:29,920
If you take the whole line,

890
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,600
there are Americans,

891
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,740
great Americans.

892
00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:34,020
Fitzgeralds...

893
00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:37,020
What I admire most,

894
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:38,740
It’s Thomas Wolff.

895
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,480
This is all alcoholic nonsense.

896
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:42,580
At the same time,

897
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,260
this is what allows them

898
00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:47,620
no doubt he helps them

899
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,480
to perceive something

900
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,680
too big for them.

901
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:53,540
Yes, but it's also because they

902
00:32:53,540 --> 00:32:54,780
had seen something

903
00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:55,980
of the power of life

904
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:57,800
that not everyone can see,

905
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,380
that we had felt something of the power of life.

906
00:33:00,620 --> 00:33:01,260
That's it, obviously.

907
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,520
It's not the alcohol that will make you feel it.

908
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,180
There was a power of life

909
00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:07,880
deep for them, but which only one could see.

910
00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:09,200
Totally agree, that.

911
00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:10,600
And the horror is the same.

912
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:12,820
Totally agree, of course.

913
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:15,420
They did a work and well,

914
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,100
what was alcohol for them?

915
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,220
Well, it was...

916
00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:21,580
They took a risk. They risked it

917
00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:22,980
because they thought of you

918
00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:24,520
rightly so because it helps them.

919
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:26,960
I had the feeling

920
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,720
that it helped me to create concepts.

921
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,360
It's weird.

922
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:32,360
To create philosophical concepts,

923
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:34,600
yes, it helped me.

924
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,400
And then I realized that it helped me more

925
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,740
or that it helped me in danger,

926
00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:38,940
or that I didn't want to work anymore.

927
00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:41,780
At that point, they start dancing.

928
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,720
It's quite simple.

929
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,160
And that's more of an American tradition,

930
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,200
because we don't know many French writers

931
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,940
who confide their penchant for alcohol.

932
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,440
And besides, we have enough trouble.

933
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:54,040
There is something that is part

934
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:54,960
scriptures.

935
00:33:55,020 --> 00:33:58,000
Yes, but French writers,

936
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,940
it's not the same vision of writing.

937
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,000
I don't know if I was marked that much

938
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,920
by the Americans.

939
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,840
It's a question of vision.

940
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,720
They are clairvoyants.

941
00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:09,500
They considered that philosophy,

942
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,520
writing is a bit of a question

943
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,500
to put in everything really

944
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:14,740
in a modest way,

945
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:16,120
see something

946
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:18,860
that others don't see.

947
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,520
It's not quite the design

948
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,220
French literature.

949
00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:27,900
There were a lot of alcoholics too

950
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:28,340
in France.

951
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,720
But it's still more about writing alcoholics

952
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:31,100
in France.

953
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:32,760
There are a lot of difficulties.

954
00:34:33,060 --> 00:34:36,740
We also don't know

955
00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:38,100
many philosophers who confide

956
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:38,760
their penchant for alcohol.

957
00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:40,680
Verlaine, he lived in Ruinol,

958
00:34:40,820 --> 00:34:41,800
right next to here.

959
00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:45,380
When I take the ruinolais,

960
00:34:45,580 --> 00:34:47,560
I tell myself that without doubt

961
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,100
it was Verlaine’s journey

962
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,160
to go to the café for its absinthe.

963
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:53,960
They know they lived there

964
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,360
at the shabby apartment.

965
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,920
Poets and alcohol,

966
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,500
we know better.

967
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:00,720
The greatest French poets

968
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,500
who were hanging around Ruinolese.

969
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,740
It's a marvel.

970
00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:05,180
At the friends bar?

971
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:06,240
Yes, undoubtedly.

972
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,780
Poets, yes.

973
00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:10,160
We know that there was

974
00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:12,980
more etilics.

975
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,940
We're done with alcohol.

976
00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:16,800
We're done messing around there.

977
00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:18,100
What are we going fast?

978
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:19,060
We will move on to C.

979
00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:20,700
It's vast.

980
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,280
C is C for culture.

981
00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:25,360
Yes, why not.

982
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,200
So there you go.

983
00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:28,640
It's someone who doesn't tell you they cultivate.

984
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,200
That is to say you say

985
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,160
that you read,

986
00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:35,060
that you don't see the films,

987
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:36,700
as you look at things,

988
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,420
that for precise knowledge,

989
00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:41,260
the one you need

990
00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:43,400
for defined, precise work,

991
00:35:43,860 --> 00:35:45,320
which is the one you are doing.

992
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:47,320
But at the same time,

993
00:35:48,220 --> 00:35:49,140
you are a person who,

994
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,760
every Saturday, go to an exhibition

995
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,700
or will have a movie

996
00:35:53,140 --> 00:35:54,560
of the great cultural domain.

997
00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:55,940
We have the impression that there is a practice,

998
00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:57,880
a kind of effort towards culture,

999
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,740
that you systematize and that you have

1000
00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:01,920
a cultural practice.

1001
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:04,800
That is to say, you go out,

1002
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,220
you make an effort, you tend

1003
00:36:06,220 --> 00:36:08,020
to cultivate yourself. And yet,

1004
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,920
I repeat, you say that you are not cultivated at all.

1005
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,660
So how do you explain

1006
00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:14,620
this little paradox?

1007
00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:16,960
Are you not a farmer?

1008
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,720
No, what I mean

1009
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,000
when I mean the facts,

1010
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,260
when I mean you,

1011
00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:24,460
I don't invite myself,

1012
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,120
really, I'm not inviting myself at all

1013
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,420
like an intellectual.

1014
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:30,440
And I don't invite myself as someone to cultivate

1015
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,500
for a simple reason, it's that when I see someone

1016
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:35,000
to cultivate, I am appalled.

1017
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,020
I'm not so admiring,

1018
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,660
I admire in certain respects,

1019
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:41,940
to others not at all, but I am appalled

1020
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:42,960
someone to cultivate.

1021
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,540
It's still noticeable when someone is cultivated.

1022
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,560
That is to say,

1023
00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:49,140
but especially frightening.

1024
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:51,540
Someone to cultivate,

1025
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,360
we see that this,

1026
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:55,980
finally we see a lot of it among intellectuals,

1027
00:36:56,660 --> 00:36:57,460
but they know everything,

1028
00:36:57,820 --> 00:36:59,120
Well, they know everything, that’s not it.

1029
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:00,820
They know everything.

1030
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,060
They know the history of Italy

1031
00:37:04,060 --> 00:37:05,040
to arborescence,

1032
00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:07,860
they know geography

1033
00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:08,760
from the North Pole,

1034
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:10,260
they know

1035
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:13,060
finally we would make the whole list,

1036
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,440
they know everything, they can talk everything,

1037
00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:17,800
they can, it's abominable.

1038
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:19,580
When I say I'm cultivating

1039
00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:20,680
of an intellectual,

1040
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:22,860
I mean a very easy thing,

1041
00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:24,540
it's because I have no knowledge

1042
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:25,800
reserve.

1043
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:28,820
At least there I didn't have a problem

1044
00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:30,900
when I die,

1045
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,120
not to look for what I published.

1046
00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:35,000
Nothing. Nothing, but

1047
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,400
I have no reservations,

1048
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,500
I have nothing, I have none

1049
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,060
provision, I have no knowledge

1050
00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:42,760
provisional. And everything I learn,

1051
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,980
I learn it for

1052
00:37:44,980 --> 00:37:46,320
such task.

1053
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:48,880
And the task done, I forget it

1054
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,700
so much so that 10 years later

1055
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:52,520
I'm forced, so it gives me

1056
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,260
much joy, if I am forced

1057
00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:56,400
to get back into something close

1058
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,860
or in the same topic, I have to start

1059
00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:00,340
to zero. It's

1060
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,300
except for a few four errors,

1061
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:04,240
because Spinoza is in my heart,

1062
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,160
so I don't forget him, he's my heart,

1063
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,500
it's not my head, but otherwise

1064
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:10,700
then

1065
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,880
why don't I admire that,

1066
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,640
apart from this effervescent culture?

1067
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,000
It's people talking.

1068
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,540
Is it erudition, is it an opinion on all subjects?

1069
00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:20,040
No, it's not erudition,

1070
00:38:20,660 --> 00:38:22,480
they know, they know, they know

1071
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,560
talking about it, they first traveled,

1072
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,320
they traveled through history,

1073
00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:28,320
in geography, they know

1074
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,420
they can talk about anything.

1075
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:32,460
I heard on TV, it's frightening,

1076
00:38:32,540 --> 00:38:33,740
I heard names,

1077
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,620
then as I am full of admiration,

1078
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,720
I can even say,

1079
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:40,080
people like

1080
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,400
Ecco, Berto Ecco,

1081
00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:44,180
it’s prodigious.

1082
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:45,900
Me when we tell him, well,

1083
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,740
that's it, it's like we're pressing, it's a thing,

1084
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,480
he knows it more,

1085
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,280
it's not at all.

1086
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,420
So I can't say that I want that,

1087
00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:56,580
I'm scared, but I don't want to

1088
00:38:56,580 --> 00:38:58,540
that at all. On a certain

1089
00:38:58,540 --> 00:39:00,040
way, I tell myself culture, what is it,

1090
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,280
we sign a lot to talk.

1091
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,400
I can't thank you,

1092
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,540
especially now that I'm doing more classes

1093
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:08,040
that I am in their trade,

1094
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,200
talk, I tell myself more and more,

1095
00:39:10,340 --> 00:39:11,940
talking is a bit dirty.

1096
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,680
It's a little dirty, the writing is clean,

1097
00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:16,380
writing is clean, but speaking,

1098
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:18,640
it's dirty. It's dirty because

1099
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,160
it's about charm.

1100
00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:21,920
It's charming,

1101
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,000
I never tolerated Loc school,

1102
00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:26,940
Since then, I have been to Loc school,

1103
00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:28,900
when I was very young, I was able to bear

1104
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:30,820
the Loc school. I don't travel, why

1105
00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:32,420
I don't travel because

1106
00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:34,860
intellectuals, I would travel well

1107
00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:37,480
if, finally, I wouldn't travel

1108
00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:40,040
my health forbids it.

1109
00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:40,780
But

1110
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,060
the travels of intellectuals,

1111
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,460
It's a buffalorie, really.

1112
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,740
They go, they don't travel,

1113
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,780
they move around to talk.

1114
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,160
So they talk to the place

1115
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,880
where they speak, to go to another place

1116
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,860
where they will speak. And then

1117
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:56,960
even at lunch, they will talk

1118
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,480
with local intellectuals.

1119
00:40:00,580 --> 00:40:02,100
They're not going to stop talking.

1120
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,120
I can't stand talking,

1121
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,120
talk, talk, I can't stand it.

1122
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:06,500
So

1123
00:40:07,340 --> 00:40:08,880
like before my life, it seems to me

1124
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,100
that culture is still very linked

1125
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:11,700
to speech.

1126
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,420
In this sense, then I

1127
00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:16,920
have the culture, I can't

1128
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,720
bear it. But we'll come back to that

1129
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,060
to separation, own writing

1130
00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:22,560
and dirty talk, because all the same

1131
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,980
you were a great teacher

1132
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,460
and seduction.

1133
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:28,040
But we will come back to that, since there is

1134
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,900
to be peace, to your

1135
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:32,160
work as a teacher.

1136
00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:33,920
And that, we will have the opportunity to talk again

1137
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,460
of seduction.

1138
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,540
Gilles Deleuze, reel 5.

1139
00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:38,220
One second.

1140
00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:41,380
Go ahead.

1141
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:43,360
So I would like to come back anyway

1142
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,500
to this thing that you have chosen a little

1143
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:48,120
ouch, who is this effort, this discipline

1144
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,280
that you impose on yourself, even if

1145
00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:52,420
you don't need it, actually

1146
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,060
to see, I don't know, let's admit

1147
00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:55,960
in the last 15 days

1148
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,720
Polk's exhibition

1149
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,080
at the Museum of Modern Art.

1150
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,120
You still go quite often

1151
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,940
not to say hermand's hebdomat

1152
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:05,900
see a great film, see a

1153
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:07,180
painting exhibition.

1154
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,440
So, you're not scholarly, you're not

1155
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,640
cultivated, you have no

1156
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,420
admiration for people

1157
00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:15,400
cultivated as you just said.

1158
00:41:15,980 --> 00:41:18,000
So, what does this practice mean?

1159
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,460
this effort?

1160
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:21,920
Is it fun?

1161
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,000
I think, no. Yes, of course

1162
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,440
it's pleasure. Finally, it's not

1163
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,960
always fun. But I think

1164
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,460
that staleness should be at

1165
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:30,000
ingales.

1166
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,960
I don't believe the culture

1167
00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:35,900
certain way, but

1168
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,060
what I believe is

1169
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:39,260
at the meeting.

1170
00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:42,000
And the meetings,

1171
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:43,660
it doesn't happen with

1172
00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:44,160
people.

1173
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,960
People, they always believe that it's

1174
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,380
people who meet each other

1175
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:49,680
so much so that it’s terrible.

1176
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,460
There, it's part of the culture, intellectuals

1177
00:41:52,460 --> 00:41:53,800
who meet each other.

1178
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,180
This filth of a conference, all that, all it's

1179
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:57,280
Finally, it's a family.

1180
00:41:58,580 --> 00:42:00,120
But meetings don't happen with

1181
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,480
people, that’s done with things,

1182
00:42:01,780 --> 00:42:03,900
It happens to men, I meet

1183
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,020
a painting, yes that, I encounter

1184
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,920
a glass of music,

1185
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,040
I encounter music, that, yes

1186
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,980
I understand what that means

1187
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:13,800
have a meeting. When people

1188
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,820
they want to add a meeting

1189
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:17,700
with themselves, with people,

1190
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:18,740
It doesn't work at all anymore.

1191
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,060
That's not a meeting.

1192
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,380
This is why dating is so

1193
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,600
disappointing, it's always a disaster

1194
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,720
meeting people.

1195
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,400
But me, as you say, when I go on Saturday

1196
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Sunday at the cinema,

1197
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:34,400
I am not

1198
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,800
sure to meet someone,

1199
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,080
but I'm leaving for a bit, I'm at the

1200
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,880
I'm sorry, isn't there

1201
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,880
a material to meet, a painting,

1202
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,740
a film, then it's great,

1203
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,260
it's... I'll take the example

1204
00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:47,040
not this for me.

1205
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:49,880
As soon as we do something, it is

1206
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,360
to get out of it, it is a question of both

1207
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,700
to stay there and get out.

1208
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,020
So, stay in the

1209
00:42:56,020 --> 00:42:57,780
philosophy is also how to get out

1210
00:42:57,780 --> 00:42:58,820
of philosophy.

1211
00:42:59,780 --> 00:43:01,380
But coming out of a philosophy,

1212
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,820
that doesn’t mean doing anything else.

1213
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:05,980
This is why we need

1214
00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:07,360
go out while staying inside.

1215
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:09,360
Uh...

1216
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,120
It's not doing anything else, it's not

1217
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,120
write a novel.

1218
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:14,340
First, I won't be able to do it,

1219
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,700
but even I would be capable of it, I don't think it would

1220
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:18,660
would say absolutely nothing. I'm going

1221
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:21,280
escape from philosophy through philosophy.

1222
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,600
That's what interests me, that's it.

1223
00:43:23,780 --> 00:43:24,240
That's to say?

1224
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:26,700
I take the example,

1225
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:28,880
like all this, it's after my death,

1226
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,960
I can be without modesty.

1227
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,100
I just made a book

1228
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:33,500
on

1229
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,280
a great philosopher,

1230
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:37,420
whose name is Leibniz,

1231
00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:39,360
and emphasizing

1232
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,600
a notion, well, which

1233
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,720
seems important to him,

1234
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,860
but which is very important to me,

1235
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,420
which is the fold, the notion of fold.

1236
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,400
I believe I have done

1237
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,520
a philosophy book.

1238
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:53,260
Well, sure, this notion is a bit strange

1239
00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:53,880
of fold.

1240
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,820
What's wrong with me?

1241
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,300
I receive,

1242
00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:01,000
I receive letters, as always,

1243
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,460
but letters, good.

1244
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,280
There are insignificant letters,

1245
00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:06,460
even if they are charming and warm

1246
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:07,480
and they touch me a lot.

1247
00:44:08,660 --> 00:44:10,120
Letters that tell me, well,

1248
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:12,780
very good, it's letters

1249
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,200
intellectual

1250
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,480
who loved at first

1251
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:17,460
this book.

1252
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:19,920
And then I receive two letters,

1253
00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:21,520
or to the letter, two hundred letters,

1254
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:23,200
or I hit my eyes.

1255
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,960
There are letters from people who tell me,

1256
00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:29,160
but your crease story

1257
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:29,660
it's us.

1258
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,400
It's us.

1259
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640
And I realize that it is

1260
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,180
people who are part of an association

1261
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:39,360
which brings together 400 people in France

1262
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,160
currently, they may increase.

1263
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,200
It is the association of folders

1264
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:43,740
of paper.

1265
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,160
And they have a magazine,

1266
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,120
they send me the magazine

1267
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,360
and tell me, but we completely agree.

1268
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,020
What you do is also

1269
00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:55,880
what we do with water.

1270
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,220
Well, I was like,

1271
00:44:58,300 --> 00:44:59,480
That, that, I just have to say.

1272
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,060
On this, I receive other kinds of letters.

1273
00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:04,320
And they speak exactly the same way.

1274
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,820
They say the fold is water.

1275
00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:10,160
But it is such a marvel.

1276
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:12,280
First, it makes me think

1277
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,760
to Plato. It is in Plato,

1278
00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:15,380
philosophers, for me,

1279
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:17,200
it's not at all

1280
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,200
gens abstraits, c'est des grands écrivains

1281
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,360
et des grands auteurs très concrets.

1282
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:25,460
In Plato, there is

1283
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:26,820
in joy, it is only one

1284
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:28,900
and which is undoubtedly linked to the beginning of philosophy.

1285
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:30,680
But perhaps we’ll come back to that.

1286
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:32,460
Plato's theme,

1287
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,100
il donne une définition.

1288
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,940
For example, what is politics?

1289
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:39,360
Politics is

1290
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,340
pastor of men.

1291
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,140
And there are lots of people arriving

1292
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:45,360
by saying, well you see, the politician is us.

1293
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,080
For example, the shepherd arrives

1294
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,380
saying, well, I dress

1295
00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:51,480
men. So I am the true pastor

1296
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,240
men. The butcher arrives,

1297
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:55,560
tell me, I make men sad. I'm the pastor

1298
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,020
men. The rivals

1299
00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:57,660
arrive.

1300
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:00,260
But at least I did a little

1301
00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:02,880
this experience. There you go, the folders

1302
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,060
of paper who arrive saying, the fold is us.

1303
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,200
The others

1304
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,820
that I was talking about, there, who send me

1305
00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:11,180
exactly the same type of letter, it's not so much,

1306
00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:12,260
It’s the surfers.

1307
00:46:13,660 --> 00:46:15,160
At first glance, no connection

1308
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,540
with the paper folders.

1309
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,720
Surfers, they say,

1310
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,320
but we are

1311
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,120
completely agree, us, because, what do we do?

1312
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,320
We never stop creeping in

1313
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,580
in the folds of nature.

1314
00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:28,880
For us, nature,

1315
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,640
it is a set of moving folds.

1316
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:34,020
So, we sneak in

1317
00:46:34,020 --> 00:46:35,060
in the fold of the wave.

1318
00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:37,260
Living in the fold of the wave is

1319
00:46:37,260 --> 00:46:38,320
a task for us.

1320
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:41,160
Inhabit the fold of the wave, and in

1321
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,600
failure, they talk about it empirically,

1322
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,580
it's people, absolutely,

1323
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,060
they think, they are not satisfied

1324
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:49,240
to surf, they think what they do.

1325
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,100
We will also talk about it again, perhaps,

1326
00:46:51,220 --> 00:46:52,920
with, if we manage to

1327
00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:55,280
a sports top, one day, at S,

1328
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,480
we'll talk about it again.

1329
00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:59,400
But that, we were

1330
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,480
left of the meeting.

1331
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,260
So, that’s meetings.

1332
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,460
When I say, get out of philosophy,

1333
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,460
through philosophy,

1334
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:08,820
I say, that, we don't have

1335
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:10,100
said all the time happened, because

1336
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:12,140
it's meetings.

1337
00:47:12,460 --> 00:47:14,580
I met the paper folders.

1338
00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:16,600
I don't need to see them, anyway.

1339
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,720
We would be disappointed, no doubt,

1340
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,720
I would be disappointed, they would be even more disappointed.

1341
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:22,080
No need to see them.

1342
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,680
But I did

1343
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,640
an encounter with surfing,

1344
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,760
with the paper folders.

1345
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:30,960
I left philosophy,

1346
00:47:31,060 --> 00:47:31,980
by philosophy.

1347
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,600
That's what a meeting is all about.

1348
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,020
So, I think that meetings,

1349
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,660
when I go to see an exhibition,

1350
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,620
that is to say, I am

1351
00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:42,080
what, on the lookout, looking

1352
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,700
of a painting that touches me,

1353
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,640
of the painting that moves me.

1354
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,600
When I go to the cinema, I don't go

1355
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,160
at the theater, because the theater is too long,

1356
00:47:49,380 --> 00:47:51,780
it's too disciplined, it's too much,

1357
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,740
it's too exhausting.

1358
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:54,260
It doesn't seem like an art to me at all,

1359
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:57,420
except in certain cases, except

1360
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:58,740
Bob Wilson and

1361
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:00,840
Carmelo Benet.

1362
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,460
I don't have the feeling that the theater

1363
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:05,940
be very, very carried away with our times.

1364
00:48:06,020 --> 00:48:06,380
But

1365
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,320
except these extreme cases.

1366
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,480
But stay 4 hours

1367
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,400
if in a bad chair, I can no longer

1368
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,980
do not bring health reasons, therefore

1369
00:48:14,980 --> 00:48:17,000
it liquidates the theater, that for me.

1370
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:19,700
But, yes, it has exposure

1371
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:21,480
built in cinema, but

1372
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,860
I always have the impression that

1373
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,600
by the way, I risk

1374
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,020
to encounter an idea.

1375
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:29,040
Yes, but there is no

1376
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,740
none, finally, the film by distraction,

1377
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:31,900
it doesn't exist.

1378
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:35,160
It's not culture, but there's no distraction.

1379
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:37,400
That is to say that everything is registered

1380
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,500
in a job, the future.

1381
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,760
No, it's not a job.

1382
00:48:41,180 --> 00:48:42,480
I mean, it's alerts.

1383
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:44,740
I say on the lookout for something

1384
00:48:44,740 --> 00:48:46,380
who passes by saying to me, you know, is it

1385
00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:48,800
Does this bother me?

1386
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:51,260
It amuses me a lot, it’s very amusing.

1387
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:53,300
But it's not Edi Murphy

1388
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:54,080
who will trouble you.

1389
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,920
It's not...

1390
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,880
Edi Murphy is an American comedian

1391
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:00,860
including the latest films

1392
00:49:00,860 --> 00:49:02,560
are real successes

1393
00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:03,580
public.

1394
00:49:03,580 --> 00:49:06,560
You see that Benille is on television.

1395
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,560
Yes, Benille, I’m interested.

1396
00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:10,060
Yes, that interests me.

1397
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:11,780
That means it's not...

1398
00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:13,440
I'm not necessarily things

1399
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,000
very good insurments of Hermuel.

1400
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:16,940
This has reason to interest me.

1401
00:49:17,380 --> 00:49:19,000
But when you go out, it's for a meeting.

1402
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,420
When I go out, if there is no

1403
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:23,340
of ideas to draw from it, if he doesn't tell me.

1404
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:24,780
Ah well, he had an idea.

1405
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:26,740
What are the great filmmakers?

1406
00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:28,360
But that also applies to filmmakers.

1407
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,780
Me, what strikes me in beauty,

1408
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,020
for example, I take a large

1409
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:33,000
like Minali

1410
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,560
or like Lozé.

1411
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:37,080
But what touches me

1412
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,660
the incident?

1413
00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:41,560
They are pursued by ideas, an idea.

1414
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,260
Ah well that, you inhale the burnt

1415
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:43,660
my bed.

1416
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,320
You're burning my bed, stop now.

1417
00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:48,080
We stop there.

1418
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,360
But that’s what seems like an encounter to me.

1419
00:49:51,020 --> 00:49:52,840
We encounter things,

1420
00:49:52,940 --> 00:49:54,340
before dealing with people.

1421
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,480
And right now, you're doing a lot

1422
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,220
meetings to talk about a period

1423
00:49:59,740 --> 00:50:00,380
precise cultural.

1424
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:02,460
Oh well yes, I just said it.

1425
00:50:02,580 --> 00:50:04,100
Folders and surfers,

1426
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,300
what do you want to be more beautiful?

1427
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:08,400
That's not meetings with intellectuals.

1428
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,860
You see, I don't meet intellectuals.

1429
00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:13,360
But if I meet an intellectual,

1430
00:50:13,460 --> 00:50:14,940
it's for other reasons that I love him

1431
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:16,600
and that I meet him.

1432
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,720
It's for what he does, his current job,

1433
00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:20,500
his charm and all that.

1434
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:22,920
We meet these elements,

1435
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,040
with the charm of people,

1436
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:25,580
with the work of people,

1437
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:26,780
but not with people.

1438
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:28,080
We don't give a damn about people.

1439
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:29,860
But nothing at all.

1440
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:32,480
Plus, they can scrub like cats.

1441
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:34,860
Yes, there is that,

1442
00:50:35,020 --> 00:50:37,540
except the rustling and the barking,

1443
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:38,640
it's terrible.

1444
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:47,760
So we resume on the rich periods

1445
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,820
and poor periods of culture.

1446
00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:53,340
And right now you find it's

1447
00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:55,280
a not so rich period,

1448
00:50:55,420 --> 00:50:57,060
finally I see you getting annoyed very often

1449
00:50:57,060 --> 00:50:58,020
in front of the television,

1450
00:50:58,220 --> 00:51:00,120
in front of literary shows,

1451
00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:01,080
which we will not mention,

1452
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,300
by the time it airs,

1453
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,020
the names will be different.

1454
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,720
Do you think it’s a rich time?

1455
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:11,180
or a particularly poor period,

1456
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:13,480
the one we are experiencing?

1457
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,320
It's poor.

1458
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:19,160
It's not growing at all,

1459
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,040
but it can be funny.

1460
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,580
Yes, I say to myself,

1461
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,220
at my age,

1462
00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:27,580
this is not the first time that there is

1463
00:51:27,580 --> 00:51:28,720
poor periods.

1464
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:30,860
I say to myself,

1465
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:32,020
what did I experience

1466
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:33,700
since I was old

1467
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:35,940
to get a little excited.

1468
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,120
I experienced liberation.

1469
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,760
liberation,

1470
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,160
it was

1471
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,600
the period of the richest periods

1472
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:45,880
that we can imagine.

1473
00:51:46,220 --> 00:51:47,760
We discovered

1474
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,220
or we rediscovered everything.

1475
00:51:50,220 --> 00:51:51,340
Upon liberation,

1476
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:53,520
there had been the war, it wasn't nothing,

1477
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,460
It wasn't a piece of cake.

1478
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,480
We discovered everything,

1479
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:58,700
the American novel,

1480
00:51:59,220 --> 00:52:01,560
there were worldly topics

1481
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,820
of discovery,

1482
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,780
there was Sartre,

1483
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:06,980
we can't imagine what was there,

1484
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,580
I mean intellectually,

1485
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:10,880
what we discovered

1486
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,080
or rediscovered on the hunt, etc.

1487
00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:15,740
You have to understand things

1488
00:52:15,740 --> 00:52:18,440
like the great controversy,

1489
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:19,580
should we burn Kafka,

1490
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:21,720
all that is

1491
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:22,760
unimaginable,

1492
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,320
and it seems a little childish today,

1493
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,840
but it was really a creative atmosphere,

1494
00:52:28,260 --> 00:52:28,980
it was an atmosphere

1495
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,540
very very strong.

1496
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,920
And then I knew the

1497
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,360
before 68, which was a period

1498
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,300
extremely rich,

1499
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:38,080
until a little after 68.

1500
00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:40,300
While in the meantime,

1501
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,740
there are poor periods,

1502
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,000
This is very normal.

1503
00:52:46,940 --> 00:52:47,740
This is not the fact

1504
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:49,660
of poverty that is danced,

1505
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:51,700
it's insolence

1506
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:53,840
or the impudence of those who occupy

1507
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,200
poor periods.

1508
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:56,720
They are much meaner

1509
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,160
that great people

1510
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,500
which increases in rich periods.

1511
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,440
They are great for good children,

1512
00:53:02,620 --> 00:53:03,140
because me and the other day,

1513
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:04,900
I saw precisely, we are talking about the Kafka controversy,

1514
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:06,980
liberation, I saw Alexandre Machin,

1515
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,740
who was very very happy,

1516
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,040
the more they are stupid,

1517
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,120
the more they are happy,

1518
00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:17,920
since it is

1519
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,520
which considers that

1520
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,000
the invention does not come down to that,

1521
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:23,400
that literature is a small private affair.

1522
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:25,140
If we consider this,

1523
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:26,480
there is no need to read Kafka,

1524
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,140
there is no need to read much,

1525
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:31,220
since if we have a pretty arm,

1526
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,460
one is by Kafka's legal nature.

1527
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,380
It's not work,

1528
00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:36,440
they don't do work.

1529
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,940
I mean how to explain

1530
00:53:39,940 --> 00:53:42,060
to take more serious things

1531
00:53:42,060 --> 00:53:44,460
that these young jumps.

1532
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,160
I went to see it not long ago

1533
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,240
at Cosmos Films.

1534
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,480
– To Marjanov? – No,

1535
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,300
to Marjanov, it was admirable.

1536
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,020
But a very moving film

1537
00:53:55,020 --> 00:53:56,960
from a Russian

1538
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,320
who did

1539
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,600
his film 30 years ago

1540
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,760
and then he just passed.

1541
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:06,080
– From the Colossella? – The Colossella.

1542
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,860
– The Colossella.

1543
00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:10,000
He said something to me that was extremely moving to me.

1544
00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:11,600
It's that

1545
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,660
this movie was very, very good.

1546
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:15,400
Very good, very good, we can't well.

1547
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:16,640
Perfect.

1548
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:18,980
But we said to each other

1549
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:21,580
terror or with a kind of compassion

1550
00:54:21,580 --> 00:54:23,860
that it was a film

1551
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:24,520
like

1552
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,460
the Russians made it

1553
00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:29,380
before the war.

1554
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:32,020
– From the Tandaisenstein? – From Tandaisenstein

1555
00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:33,460
from Dovchenko, that it was.

1556
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:34,980
Everything was there.

1557
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:36,840
Parallel editing, in particular.

1558
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,320
Parallel editing sublime, etc.

1559
00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:42,100
It's like nothing happened

1560
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:43,680
since the war.

1561
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,240
As if nothing had happened

1562
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:46,000
in the cinema.

1563
00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:48,320
And I said to myself, it's forced.

1564
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:50,140
The film is good, that's it.

1565
00:54:50,380 --> 00:54:52,160
But it was very strange.

1566
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,100
– Treat it. – Because of that.

1567
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,500
If he wasn't very good, it was because of that.

1568
00:54:57,820 --> 00:54:58,820
It's literally

1569
00:54:58,820 --> 00:55:00,820
someone who had been so alone

1570
00:55:00,820 --> 00:55:02,240
in his work

1571
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,940
that he filmed as we filmed

1572
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:08,720
20 years ago.

1573
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,700
Rather, it's not that it was bad.

1574
00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:12,620
But actually, it was very good.

1575
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,280
He was prodigious 20 years ago.

1576
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:15,600
And

1577
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,140
everything that had happened

1578
00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:19,560
since then,

1579
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:21,340
he hadn't known.

1580
00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:22,680
I mean,

1581
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,460
he had grown up in a desert.

1582
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,420
It was terrible. Crossing a desert,

1583
00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:29,260
it's not much.

1584
00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:31,480
Crossing a desert isn't much.

1585
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,420
It is a period of desert.

1586
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:34,480
What was free was to be inside.

1587
00:55:35,020 --> 00:55:36,580
It's growing up in a desert.

1588
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,720
That's awful.

1589
00:55:39,340 --> 00:55:40,820
I guess, because we must have

1590
00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:41,860
a feeling of loneliness.

1591
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,260
– For people who are 18 now,

1592
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:44,240
for example. - Oh yes.

1593
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,440
Especially since you understand that when things,

1594
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,180
that's it in periods.

1595
00:55:49,540 --> 00:55:52,020
When things disappear,

1596
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,640
no one notices it.

1597
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,880
For a simple reason, it is that when

1598
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,180
something disappears,

1599
00:55:57,180 --> 00:55:59,080
there is no shortage of it.

1600
00:56:01,020 --> 00:56:02,620
The Stalinist period

1601
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,140
made literature disappear

1602
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:05,900
Russian.

1603
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,620
But the Russians are not perceived.

1604
00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:11,000
I mean,

1605
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,360
the bulk of the Russians,

1606
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:15,220
This is not perceived by all Russians.

1607
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:17,200
A literature that has been

1608
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,820
a moving literature

1609
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:20,760
throughout the 19th century disappears.

1610
00:56:22,420 --> 00:56:23,700
I hear well, well,

1611
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,000
we are now told

1612
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,180
there are dissidents, etc.

1613
00:56:27,220 --> 00:56:28,380
But at the level of the people,

1614
00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:30,900
of a Russian people, its literature

1615
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:31,620
has disappeared.

1616
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,360
His painting has disappeared,

1617
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,180
and no one noticed it.

1618
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,540
Today,

1619
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,780
today we realize

1620
00:56:40,780 --> 00:56:42,600
of what is happening today.

1621
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,720
But so much, there is obviously

1622
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:46,300
new young people who

1623
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:47,280
surely they have genius.

1624
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:49,580
I think, suppose, it's a

1625
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:51,080
bad expression, but suppose

1626
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,020
the new blades.

1627
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,840
Today's new blades.

1628
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,340
I believe there are new philosophers.

1629
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:00,300
Yes, it's not about that.

1630
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:02,020
But the new bequettes

1631
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:02,680
today,

1632
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,080
suppose we don't publish them.

1633
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:07,660
After all, bequettes

1634
00:57:07,660 --> 00:57:09,020
almost published them.

1635
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,200
It's obvious that nothing

1636
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,020
was not missing.

1637
00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:14,820
By definition,

1638
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,580
a great author or a genius,

1639
00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:17,820
it is someone who brings

1640
00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:18,860
something new.

1641
00:57:20,260 --> 00:57:21,900
If this new one does not appear,

1642
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:23,820
his young self,

1643
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,440
no one's bank, and we had some

1644
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,020
no idea.

1645
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:28,960
If Kafka

1646
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,180
had not been published, we cannot say

1647
00:57:31,180 --> 00:57:32,240
that Kafka would fail.

1648
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,860
If the other had burned all of Kafka,

1649
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:37,800
person

1650
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,200
could say, ah, how we miss it,

1651
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,480
and we would have no idea

1652
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,040
of what has disappeared.

1653
00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:45,720
If the new bequettes today

1654
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:46,780
are had

1655
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,200
or are prevented from being published

1656
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,140
by the current publishing system,

1657
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,120
we won't be able to say

1658
00:57:53,660 --> 00:57:55,300
ah, how we miss it

1659
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:56,580
if we did.

1660
00:57:57,140 --> 00:57:58,560
I heard a statement,

1661
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:01,700
I believe in my life

1662
00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:03,920
the most impudent

1663
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,740
whoever, I dare not say

1664
00:58:05,740 --> 00:58:07,820
which was lent in a newspaper,

1665
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:08,980
especially since it's never sure,

1666
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,860
it was someone who had the edition

1667
00:58:11,860 --> 00:58:13,200
who dared to say

1668
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,200
oh, but you know, today

1669
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:17,680
we risk

1670
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,220
no more making mistakes

1671
00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:19,640
like

1672
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:21,440
Gallimard

1673
00:58:22,380 --> 00:58:23,420
refusing Proust

1674
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:26,940
because, with the means we have

1675
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:27,820
today

1676
00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:30,160
head researchers, head hunters

1677
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:33,280
we dream, we would believe

1678
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,380
but the means we have today

1679
00:58:35,380 --> 00:58:36,780
to find the new Prousts

1680
00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:37,740
and the new blades

1681
00:58:37,740 --> 00:58:39,900
suffice to say that we would have a counter managed

1682
00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:42,120
and that the

1683
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,680
new bequette, that is to say someone

1684
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,240
completely unimaginable

1685
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:46,600
since we don't know

1686
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,800
that he would bring us again

1687
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,860
it would make sense

1688
00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:51,640
if we

1689
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,620
he wasn't doing enough

1690
00:58:55,620 --> 00:58:57,860
so what defines crisis

1691
00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:59,640
today it's all this bullshit

1692
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,440
the crisis today

1693
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,680
I see it linked to 3 things

1694
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,020
but she won't do that

1695
00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:06,360
I am very optimistic

1696
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,020
this is what defines a period of desert

1697
00:59:09,020 --> 00:59:11,920
it is first of all that the journalists

1698
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,440
have conquered the book form

1699
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,080
journalists are always writing

1700
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,600
I find it very good that journalists write

1701
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,180
but for a long time when journalists

1702
00:59:20,180 --> 00:59:21,300
set out to write a book

1703
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:23,900
they felt they were moving into another form

1704
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:26,520
that is to say it was not the same thing

1705
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,420
what to write their newspaper article

1706
00:59:28,420 --> 00:59:30,040
we can even consider that for a long time

1707
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,680
it was the writers who were journalists

1708
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,900
poorly armed, could do journalism

1709
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:35,400
but the opposite did not happen

1710
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,520
here it's the opposite, the journalist

1711
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,540
as a journalist, it is believed that he formed a book

1712
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:40,840
that is to say, he finds it very normal

1713
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,240
to make a book like that

1714
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,880
which is barely a newspaper article

1715
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,780
that's not good

1716
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:50,260
the second reason is

1717
00:59:50,260 --> 00:59:51,960
that it is generalized

1718
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,520
the idea that everyone could write

1719
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:55,880
because writing

1720
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,280
was everyone's little business

1721
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:58,800
then

1722
01:00:00,860 --> 01:00:02,940
with family archives

1723
01:00:04,340 --> 01:00:06,420
either written archive or archive

1724
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,360
either archive in the head

1725
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:13,480
everyone has had a love story

1726
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,440
everyone had

1727
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,500
like once the grandmother was sick

1728
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:18,860
a mother who died in terrible conditions

1729
01:00:18,860 --> 01:00:20,800
we say to ourselves that makes a novel

1730
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,080
That’s not a novel at all.

1731
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,860
but really not at all

1732
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:27,060
then

1733
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:29,500
and then

1734
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:30,940
the third reason

1735
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:32,580
it's that

1736
01:00:33,220 --> 01:00:34,200
I understand

1737
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,460
the real customers have changed

1738
01:00:37,220 --> 01:00:38,920
and we barely notice it

1739
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,560
except people except of course

1740
01:00:41,780 --> 01:00:43,280
you are aware

1741
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:43,520
but

1742
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,180
the customers have changed I mean

1743
01:00:46,180 --> 01:00:49,140
Who are the television customers?

1744
01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:50,940
it's more the listeners

1745
01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:53,420
television customers

1746
01:00:53,420 --> 01:00:54,580
it's the advertisers

1747
01:00:54,580 --> 01:00:57,100
they are the real customers

1748
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:00,100
the listeners

1749
01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:02,000
they laugh at what the advertisers want

1750
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:02,720
viewers

1751
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,160
viewers yes

1752
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,800
Gilles Deleuze 7th reel

1753
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,740
at the moment it doesn't matter

1754
01:01:09,740 --> 01:01:11,080
to quiet

1755
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,060
go ahead